OK, sooooo... s17 just came down and told me that he finally laid into xh. He said he went off. D13 heard the whole thing and thought it was hilarious.

xh said that he wants his r with the kids and that he had to leave because he was so unhappy with me.

S said that xh tried to make him feel guilty and said, well you would rather have me there and be unhappy than live a happy life?

OMG, I'm gonna puke.

S17 said he just went off and xh didn't say much but sounded very upset when they hung up.

S17 told him that he would never take any advice from him or listen to him because anything s does only affects him while xh's decisions ruins lives.

S also told him he does not need a r with his kids bc he has a r with hww's son and one on the way.

I think it was a relief for s17 to finally get it out. D13 felt a relief for having xh hear it.

I am going to be sick to think that xh still says that he was so unhappy with me and that is what he says to hww. F, F, F.