Feels like an eternity (Mindsin - part. 3)

[25yearsmlc]

MrBond - you are right.

I will confess -- this will be the first time (since the start of my career) that I will be leaving a job on my terms (not getting laid off or fired), and it feels great. Tomorrow I'll be resigning and I'm VERY nervous about confronting my manager.

Last night, my W gave me some very good advice on how to talk to my manager and manage the logistics of this transition. I am thankful for that.

This^^ is good stuff!

Don't burn bridges with your present boss. You want to leave on good or at least decent terms. Saying the new job will give you the chance at more responsibility than you believe you'll get where you are now, and or more room for advancement and a better salary/benefits etc MAY make your boss want to compete with them.

Be ready to be resolute, if you really are.

Also as a side note, here are some things about the salary negotiations in the future that I learned b/c I had great mentoring from a headhunter's corporation on this issue.

You will NOT get passed over for a job b/c a counter offer is too high IF You word it in a way that isn't stubborn or a "take it or leave it" way. I've never heard of that. I HAVE heard of idiotically worded counters that get rejected but it's not the number that got them rejected; it was their arrogance.

You can also counter with something like 'you offered 'x' and I think that's pretty far from the number I had in mind, based on what I bring to the table and how good a fit we are with each other.

So, Is your first offer a 'final offer"?

(It's VERY rare that a potential employer will only give you one offer. They are almost always prepared to move upwards, with the only exception to that being a government job. Even there, I've been able to get step increases to meet my needs in the event that the "rank" is only such and such. I have been given that "rank + years of experience" to make it right even if the years are not exact.

I've also said "so is your first offer your final offer" and never been told "yes".

I've tried not to counter too specifically b/c I want them to come up with the numbers, but I'd again point to my potential or past contributions (e.g. "raising their 3rd party recovery by 30% in 6 months", etc).

When I've accepted what I thought was a bit low b/c of other advantages, which it sounds as if you are doing, I've also said "well, I think that's a bit low given what I expect to contribute - so how about I accept your offer and you agree to review my salary in 3/6 months, rather than waiting a full year"? That way they can better assess your value.

SO far, every time I've said that,^^ they have agreed

and every time I've gotten the 6 month review, I've gotten a substantial raise. Usually something like 25-33% more than the starting salary.

My last job offered me a very decent acceptable amount, but I paused to swallow a little water and to process it. In those few seconds, the employer increased it by A LOT, just b/c my silence sounded like a rejection, I guess.

That was the Most "profitable STFU" moment of my life...

Just food for thought. I learned that from Challenger, Gray & Christmas which is a great headhunter's corporation. Good training. ANYHOW, I digress...

Good luck at your job(s).