GB what is 'normal' to a MLCer is very strange to us. This trying to be young again is pathetic. Other people find it pathetic - except apparently the OW and their friendship group!

And yes events we thought they enjoyed apparently traumatized them. Tough on the kids, but they do survive. And not what we wanted.

I love your not signing up to the victim with benefits plan. MLCers sign up big time to the 'I am a victim please give generously' campaign (Nitty's h if just like my xh - the victim in all of this - the one who left, broke up his family and treated everyone horribly has transformed into a victim. It takes a special skill to do that one).

And worst of all they do not go away - just like the toddler who keeps running into the room to tell you he hates you! I suspect that Job is right in this too - they think about us a great deal more than we think about them, as time goes by.