hi all -- I am hoping we can keep this string going. It has been hard to find mostly men on one forum topic. Nearly everything that you guys have gone through, I have gone through. The stories are very similar. I think my biggest struggle right now is trying to find a way not to be the person I am (supportive, kind, maybe a little too much in-your-face, loving). As she suffers, I want to do more, not less. When she is happy, I want to soak it all in -- I want to be there. The changes I've made have been great; I really love them. I am absolutely not going back to the past. I am a much better father (was not bad before, but was clearly the "fun" component of the equation -- now I am doing some of the real work too and I love it). By the way, I am not sure whether an PA is in place, but I am nearly positive an EA is. I am also dealing with a sister-in-law as alienator, so I know my chances are slim to none to get my wife back. If any of you are dealing with an alienator from within your wife's family, I would like to hear the stories. Dawgy, I feel for you especially when you say you think you've undone progress. My experience so far is that this is not the case, IF most of what you are doing now is for you (not for your marriage). Change what you think needs changing, don't change for the sake of you marriage. I learned this the hard way early on (at about where you are right now.).