Thank you for that, Wet! I suppose I never thought about it that way. There's a mixed group of people that she hangs out with at school. Most of them are women who are either single/boyfriend/live with boyfriend. I saw someone here in the forums refer to their W's posse and that would best describe them. Recently, it seems like she has one really good girl friend, which I think has been good for her. Living with a woman who had 2 daughters that are college age was also a good thing for her two, getting her out of the apartment she was sharing with the guy from school.
Where I guess I get focused on not being able to compete is she started to go out to the clubs and parties with these people. She started drinking. I know to some this may not be a big deal, but up to that point in her life, she had never done that and it was never a part of our M. Suddenly that was so much more exciting than being home or doing things with our family.
I know that one of her complaints is that we did a lot of sitting around and watching TV. She wanted to be out more and doing things and eventually got tired of being the one to always suggest things. At the time, it didn't occur to me that I should be paying more attention to this. I grew up in a family that that is what we did in the evenings. When we started dating, we were outside a lot, taking walks, playing basketball (a divinely inspired sport... ), etc. Once we had our first child, it became more difficult and we fell into the deadly trap of routine. Those habits of my family's life started to creep back that I didn't even realize it was happening until now that I look back.
So, trying to change that and the perception that that is our family. Bought SoCal season passes to Disneyland, the kids and I hit the local park whenever we can, we're at the pool almost everyday, and we venture down to the beach every so often. When they get back from visiting family in Minnesota, I'm planning some camping trips too.
M:35 W:31 S: 9 D: 5 M: 11.5 yrs BD: 5/13 W moved out: 7/13