Thank you Train, That is exactly my position. BIL and of course W are asking me to be a doormat. I feel I must be stronger in the face of the kids. I've hidden all of my breakdowns and anger and much of my pain from them. I have not hidden my love of my W and love for them. I've told S16 that I don't want a D. Why keep S12 in the dark when the whole extended family knows?