Ben2010, success has a lot to do with how you ended up in your sitch to begin with. My H and I went through phases - before the separation - where I was the one with one foot out the door because he was dishonest and disloyal in my eyes. If he'd gotten a life and flirted and cr@p back then... I probably would have chopped his b@lls off with my car keys before walking out permanently. The tactics that work for someone all depend on how they got in their situation to begin with. There are plenty of guys on here who have done those things and fallen flat on their faces because their WAWs didn't trust them before... and definitely weren't going to trust them once they started mingling with the opposite sex. I'm half tempted to just say f-ck it simply because I found out that there are women on my H's Google+ circles. I'm not even in his d@mn circles so how do you like that?