Thanks for the response cadet. W and I are firmly going to divorce. Whew! It's over! I still need to address the children. Working and living away from our house has put a little distance between s18 and d15. But we have started to rebuild. I'm glad I stayed long enough to get them to this age. W feels she was the long stable factor in their lives but recently they have both voice some real concerns. S " tunes her out" because she treats him like a 5 year old and d can't make a choice unless she thinks w will approve. Both need time and space. So now the work begins. W still has all her old habits but has happily masked them behind a new and righteous facade. Oh boy this should be fun...I'll let you know