Thanks for the thread AJ. I am aware that this isn't going to go away anytime soon or possibly not at all. This much I've learned even though I wish it weren't true. Today h called d15. She said he didn't even ask about her, only wanted to know about me. That's the part that is really hard. She is sick with a sore throat and fever and he didn't even ask about her. Didn't even plan a day with her like he said he was going to. She was very mad but I know inside she is very hurt. I feel for h that this is the way he is now. He is missing so much that he will never get back. I think I'm finally starting to get it that there has to be something wrong with him to not want to enjoy our kids. They are so much fun. If it was only me taking the hit then I would believe it's just the m, but this is so much more. And there is really nothing you can do about it. So I will do my best to find my way through this and be strong and happily involved with the kids. And I will continue to read through the threads that you have suggested. Thanks so much.