Do a google on "Essential Experience" workshops. The one I'm referring to is now in Philadelphia. ( It's NOT EST or Landmark, but it has some overlap with "Lifespring".)

Several DBers have attended EE and loved it as well. Ask PowerOfNow, AutumnLeaves or LuckyLuke.

They are (literally) life changing workshops.

Well Essential Experience is Life changing,
and I THINK Lifespring is, but I have only attended EST, Landmark, Essential Experience,

(and as a couple, we went to marriage encounters and Retrovaiile, which is for marriages in crisis. That was excellent, btw.)

Of the personal growth workshops I have attended, by far the most profound was Essential Experience, (aka "EE").

For me, Landmark did way too much recruitment effort (felt like a salesman) and EST was a tad too harsh on some participants, imo.

But in one long weekend, EE did the same as 2-3 YEARS of therapy had achieved. It was the most supportive environment to face our demons, that exists, to my knowledge.

And workshops like "EE" are much less fragmented to work things thru. They provide continuity for the process, as opposed to meeting with a good IC and making a break through, only to have to suddenly go back to work or pick up the kids...which happened a lot with my T, and that's when I had a good T...

At EE, you can choose to get free housing, and that makes it easily the most reasonably priced (tax deductible) workshop, ever. It's about 60 hours of therapy, plus support groups afterwards, at no additional charge. And it's about 5% more expensive now, than it was 25 years ago when I first went.

My h went after I did, based solely on the changes he saw, in ME. And he loved it and then we went back, (no charge) together. What a powerful bonding experience that was...if not for that, I doubt I'd have bothered with Div Busting, and would not be here on this site, at all.

Just a thought. You can change, and you must. You need new tools to make the changes and keep them going.

There are resources out there for you. Avail yourself of them. Hang in there. Stop the negative stinking thinking inside you...your d's need to see a positive mother role. (BTW, your d can help you out at home while she's there, but HER life is her job and I'd be wary of counting on her for supporting the household with a job. I put myself thru college and law school with a one time "gift" of $800 from my dad in a crunch. My h put himself thru college, and veterinary school and a few years later, the military put him thru medical school. (Not a cent from family or government grants either, btw.) If your d truly cannot pay for school, b/c it's too pricey or for whatever reason, maybe she can consider ROTC.

I wish I had b/c I owed a lot for law school. IF I'd known I was going to join the military at some point anyhow, (b/c if you can't beat 'em, join 'em)

I'd have joined earlier and had NO school debt AND I'd have earned more while in the military!They count your years in college/ROTC as years in the military and towards retirement. Heck, I'd have been collecting a retirement for almost a decade by now... But at that age, I could not envision any commitment to school or a career...just marriage (oh the irony).

Best deal around if you can handle the commitment, (which I ended up making to them anyhow!)

And oh, please read those LONG posts again, so they really sink in.


((( )))


M: 57 H: 60
M: 35 yrs
S30,D28,D19
H off to Alaska 2006
Recon 7/07- 8/08
*2016*
X = "ALASKA 2.0"
GROUND HOG DAY
I File D 10/16
OW
DIV 2/26/2018
X marries OW 5/2016

= CLOSURE 4 ME
Embrace the Change