I know you are right I guess I really have to man up and start making some difficult but right choices. I make the mistake of thinking that if I am Mr Nice Guy she will see the error of her ways. I know that she lies and manipulates to suit herself and I know that whenever she suggests something I wrongly see it as some sort of breakthrough when in fact it is just her cake eating. I also know that she will be at a complete loose end over the easter break if we don't do something together as most of her family live far away apart from her dad who will probably go away for the break. So thats why she has suggested doing things together as otherwise she will be on her own. I have family and friends that I can spend time with over the break when I don't have the boys so it won't be so bad apart from missing them. But is it really about making her realise what she has lost? Is it really as simple as that? I need to understand how that would have such an effect. My W is very stubborn, might she not just see it as me just being an a....ole?