Ok, thank you MrBond and whytry, for replying. I apologize for not being able to finish my post. You are right MB, the affair, either EA or PA is in the past, I THINK! IM past it at least, but now all of her resentment and the classic WAW stuff surfaced from that point on. So, at least its out in the open. I immedietly remembered to do the 180 and GAL, got a new DB book and some others. She left and went to our camper at the beach, about 250 miles from here, and stayed for a week or so. said she wanted to work on R, but when she got back she was iffy again. so she's been here and at the camper for a week or two t a time. I'm going to marriage counselor ,alone, she wont go. No sex, no physical touch from here. I can lay in bed and hold her all day, but no recip. se will say that she loves me, when told first or askedI don't ask anymore. I believe that she is planning on leaving, because I know that she is looking for job that will give he her own health insurance, ad I saw on her history where she was looking at apartments for rent. SO, heres my big question. I understand, and have emplemented all of the DB techniques in a situation where the W and I were separated, and she was having affair with OM, But some of it just doesn't fit in my sitch. its not feasible for me to not text her at all, or to do some the GAL stuff wen she is here with me. Remember, she doesn't know that I believe she's thinking of leaving. I know that she just wants things to smooth over for now. I am so sorry, I have to get a new keyboard before posting again. Maybe you can take enough from this to help in some way.Thanx,B