Sorry - just to add that he was with his wife for around 15 years - she kicked him out re Default **** - he had divorced about 10 years before he met me....so there was a large amount of time for him to develop relationships with women - but no second marriage.... Default **** has been there for a long time..... You are right - I suspect she will be the elephant in the room no matter who is in the main frame.... However he seems relatively disinterested in her as a person - she must be merely a comfort (perhaps maternal transference) and a sex buddy.... I have never met her but by all accounts she is very meek and adores him.... Hhhmph - x