Have been reading Jobs thread about why they run - yes that has been really really helpful. WAP had a very difficult childhood - perhaps I need to place more emphasis on this than what I have been. Emotionally distant (and conversely hysterical) mother and physically/emotionally absent father (due to chronic and serial adultery. He often had to separate his parents from hurting each other - when he was about 15, So surely this must play in to things somewhere. WAPs history has also been affairs - on and off. One things I amy not have mentioned so far is the issue of a certain woman I will call "Default *" - default because she has been in his life for the last 25 years - she had an affair with him during his first marriage - she then had an affair with him during his relationship post marriage (this particular relationship was the cause of his divorce) - and she is still hanging around - years later. She sends him postcards etc etc cards for birthdays/Xmas... x