Hi Jon thanks for your input much appreciated, it is ridiculous and I think a lot of damage has been done, there is nothing but losers in this situation. Regarding the counselling maybe I didn't paint myself in glory in June but I think at the time I was just kidding myself, my wife wouldn't have then and won't now, not that I have asked recently. I like the idea of doing some counseling to better and improve me, having read books I think again I am fooling myself that some of my faults are history,clearly not - that can be my research plan for the weekend to keep me busy Thanks!!!!
Me: 39 W: 33 Son:7 Daughter:4 Its Over: March 7th 2013 Moved back home Mid June, trying to make it work