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adinva #2418182 12/27/13 01:15 PM
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Merry Christmas Bug smile

Joy for 2014 and continued peace.

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Thanks, Ad and Kate.

It was a quiet Christmas. With S24 in Canada and S21 unable/unwilling to travel, we just enjoyed being together at home.

H has been here since Christmas Eve and this has allowed us time to get used to being together again. It's taken some adjustment, for sure. We've also talked more about some sticky wickets like money stuff and laughed a lot while doing it. We both were able to ask for a break when we felt needed and to come back and pick up the conversation without stress.

I did do some bike riding, so that was good.

Hope you both had a lovely Christmas.


Me 57/H 58
M36 S 2.5yrs R 12/13

Let me give up the need to know why things happen as they do.
I will never know and constant wondering is constant suffering.
Caroline Myss
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I've been reading several threads in Newcomers where alcohol is a player in the marriage. It is like having a third person involved because the person you once new is different, but does show up sometimes.

Anyway, it's brought up a lot of stuff for me so I thought I'd journal about it here, it might be helpful to others.

I had a problem with my H's drinking. It started with a beer or 2 some nights after work. I drank to, sometimes wine, sometimes beer. Then he got to drinking every night and not just one or two. He drank every night until he fell asleep/passed out. The weekends he drank more and at times he tried to hide how much he was drinking. I found empty bottles in all kinds of unusual places. He always smelled like stale beer, wasn't there for the kids or me, was uncommunicative, morose, boring.

I watched the man I loved and respected who was a wonderful, caring, involved father, disintegrate before my eyes.

I kept quiet for a long time thinking, he'll get his act together, he'll slow down.

He didn't.

Then I got resentful and p/a, my misguided thinking and faulty defense mechanisms only making the situation worse. But at the time I thought my actions might help him see the light without me directly saying anything (somehow you feel there's defeat in saying it aloud or if I don't name it, it's not really there)

I also had a bit of self-delusion/denial going on, thinking "He works every day so maybe I'm making a big deal out of nothing"

A bit of my love and respect for my H died every time I heard another cap come off another bottle of beer (I can still feel the cringe)or awoke in the middle of the night to his snoring and the smell of stale alcohol.

But after a while the sons (early teens then) and I were miserable and they talked to me about how unhappy they were due to Dad's drinking. Time to let go of the denial and get real.

So, scared to death (of what?) I confronted my husband with as much love and compassion as I could muster and told him if he didn't get help to stop drinking, he needed to find another place to live. The boys and I were worried about him, we loved him but we could no longer stand by and watch this.

So I guess I was the WAS at that time.

This was before I found AlAnon, years before actually. H did get help. It was a rocky road because he didn't initially address the whys of the drinking and I continued to be the W of a problem drinker, angry, resentful, controlling, P/A...it wasn't until H walked away that I started going to AlAnon. At my first Newcomer's meeting I read a pamphlet and sobbed because it described me to a T.

So I got the help I needed. Even tho H had stopped drinking, we were still trapped in the same dysfunctional R.

AlAnon was instrumental in getting me healthy, along with lots of other resources. I'm an introvert and not a "joiner" so taking the step to go to mtgs was huge for me but the support of real live people was/is powerful. Also attended CoDA for a while.

I made it my goal to do as much as I could to become who I was meant to be. No matter what happened in my marriage, I was destined to repeat the same mistakes if I didn't fix me. I went to 3 mtgs/week for a while, I volunteered, I have my wonderful IC, I found DB and these boards and lots of other helpful books.

I started my days with this on my bathroom mirror: We admitted we were powerless over others—that our lives had become unmanageable.

It's been a long journey and it's not over yet but I'm a content person and I believe H and I now have the tools we both need to create a healthy R.


Me 57/H 58
M36 S 2.5yrs R 12/13

Let me give up the need to know why things happen as they do.
I will never know and constant wondering is constant suffering.
Caroline Myss
labug #2419250 12/31/13 03:46 PM
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Awesome bug... a lot of hard work and dedication in this post. I am proud to call you friend.


You can not change your past, but you can ruin a perfectly good present by worrying about the future.
subguy #2419262 12/31/13 04:11 PM
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Hey subguy, Happy New Year and thanks.

That time seems like ancient history in many ways, some sounds and smells will bring it back but there's been a lot of water over the dam since then.


Me 57/H 58
M36 S 2.5yrs R 12/13

Let me give up the need to know why things happen as they do.
I will never know and constant wondering is constant suffering.
Caroline Myss
subguy #2419269 12/31/13 04:33 PM
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Thank you for sharing this. It really hit home today.


Me 44 H 42
M 10 T 12 (at time of BD)
Ss 20 16
S11 (special needs)

BD 9/13 H "unhappy for years" moves to seperate bedroom
10/13 EA/PA confirmed but denied
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Thanks Labug-I agree with Julie.


Me:33 H:35
M: 12 years
D-15 S-6
Bomb: 6-2013
OW: 11/2013
Kids and I moved out: 11/2013 when he continued to lie about affair
Kids and I moved back in 12/2013
H moved out 2/2014
bluesgal #2419459 01/01/14 03:15 PM
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What you're both going through is so difficult and you want to fix it... but you can't.

I hope you find the power to continue working on you and that starts with letting go of outcomes. Whatever that picture is that you carry in your mind of how you would like things to be, let it go. We hold on to that illusion so tightly and it keeps us stuck living in someone else's drama.

That's the scary part, once you're past that and you know that no matter what the outcome is you'll be OK, everything gets a lot easier.

Learning what your boundaries are and not allowing others to steal chunks of you is a start.

We do have to let go of the old life so a new life can begin.
May you become comfortable with peace and serenity in the New Year.

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“Fear is at the core of codependency. It can motivate us to control situations or neglect ourselves.

Many of us have been afraid for so long that we don’t label our feelings fear. We’re used to feeling upset and anxious. It feels normal. Peace and serenity may be uncomfortable.” Melody Beattie


Me 57/H 58
M36 S 2.5yrs R 12/13

Let me give up the need to know why things happen as they do.
I will never know and constant wondering is constant suffering.
Caroline Myss
labug #2419566 01/01/14 11:48 PM
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I hope so too, Labug. My goal is to let go of outcomes and to recognize fears and let go of those, too.
Thanks!


Me:33 H:35
M: 12 years
D-15 S-6
Bomb: 6-2013
OW: 11/2013
Kids and I moved out: 11/2013 when he continued to lie about affair
Kids and I moved back in 12/2013
H moved out 2/2014
bluesgal #2419647 01/02/14 06:21 AM
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Great post! I hope you had an awesome NYE!! I'm sending you many hugs!!


M 42 H 39
T10 (-2yrs separation)
S8 D5
DD 7/30/11 (EA&PA)
Reconciled 6/2013
Separation in works 1/2017
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