KP- Thank you for the reply I am new to this form stuff so I have been trying to learn the ropes I have read both books, I have been doing the work as best I can I have managed to get my life restarted it's moving slow, but at least it's moving and my wife seems to be warming up a little, so I have hope. she keeps cycling, but her contact is becoming more frequent and positive. she called me "love" the other night. I had to restrain my self from waking up the neighbors. never would have thought I see or hear those words from her ever again