Look what the cat dragged in! (TL)

[Pudmuddle]

tiger, Sorry to hear that your S is wanting his dad to be around. I would continue to let S call him but as far as you, I wouldn't try to explain to H anymore about why S is doing what he is doing. This is for your H to figure out in my opinion. It may seem like you trying to control the situation and that maybe you are putting S up to it when you try to explain it all. I don't think you are, but this is the way your H will see it right now. He is being untrustworthy so he projects that on to you.

JF, TL, I haven't even approached the subject of gifts for Christmas either. Although H has brought up a few ideas for members of his family. Kind of like he was telling me so that I would do it. That was interesting. Also, the idea of putting up the tree right now is daunting to me because in the past 3 years it has been difficult to get H and S to participate in doing this with me. I think since H's downward spiral he never wanted to help put ornaments on the tree or help decorate and that was a complete downer. Plus with S being 16 he just isn't into it as much as he used to be. That stinks.

I will have to do it by myself I'm sure and that just stinks. Love stinks.

As far as spending, sorry JF that your wife is blowing Christmas money, that sux. That is some serious depression behavior right there. I hope you can do some things that are more meaningful and do it with less money. My H was always the tightwad and fortunately, as far as I know, he still has been. I haven't seen any monetary improprieties from him yet. Still makes me wonder what he will do for Floormop for Christmas...Ugh.

It is hard to think of getting them gifts, and I have no expectation on receiving one from him either, tiger. My bday is next week and I am dreading that. Need to lower my expectations and do something just for me.

We'll get through this you two!! Hang in there with me!