"The fallacy of your thinking is that "your way is the only way" - since it didn't affect you positively, it cannot affect anyone positively. "
Nope never said my way was the only way. You did.
My mistake as that is what I inferred from the tone of your comment. Take that sentence out and I stand by the rest.
Originally Posted By: MrBond
I thought it odd that you phrased it as "physical violence".
It was not my term, it was labug's. I thought it to be a cavalier use of the phrase and thus made an argument against it (the examples of a toddler running into a busy street, a child attacking another with a baseball bat, or a teenager threatening himself or another with a firearm). Those examples, though technically I suppose they fall under the "physical violence" umbrella which carries a very negative connotation, would not be considered negative reactions, but necessary and proper ones.
Originally Posted By: MrBond
I guess then, there would be no difference if you or a spouse's stepfather spanked them. I wouldn't want anyone to lay a hand on my kids, especially me.
I covered this in my previous post. Though I would support a step-father's authority, I would have a serious problem with him laying his hands on my daughters. It's something I haven't had to think through, but that's my initial reaction: "10x10".
Originally Posted By: MrBond
Personally I've never heard anyone say they were happy to be spanked as a kid.
You've never met anyone who thought they deserved it? That looking back as an adult, they understand it, though they didn't like it at the time? You don't know anyone who spanks their children now, or gives them some form of physical punishment? Seriously?
How many people have you actually asked this question?
Raise your count to 1. I certainly deserved some of the spankings I got, and I understand why I got them, and it certainly deterred my behavior when other, non-physical, methods weren't effective. And I certainly wasn't "happy" about it at the time.
But pleasing an unruly child isn't really the point, so asking if they were "happy" isn't a question relevant to the discussion. Spankings aren't intended to make kids happy. They are intended to correct. They are intended to reenforce that there are consequences for their actions. They are intended to effectively deter poor behavior.
-PM
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