No chance with the talking to the X. X and I have just recently gotten to a more civil place-mostly because I think D13 asked him to be civil to me. He and OW are both kind of similar; he's got control and anger issues...so I can give D13 advice or whatever but that's about it. You are right though, I should remind her that she can stand up to OW, but she mostly just feels like it's easier to just go along with whatever they are wanting from what she tells me..I mean she has to live with them half the time.