Idk, THX,

It's a fine, and vague, fuzzy line between being a caring, compassionate human, and being a doormat. Easy to cross, both ways.

One thing I did tell my W on our anniversary "D talk", was that if we D, the friends thing wasn't going to happen, the "buddy system" would close down, at least for a good long while until I "got her out of my system"...but I would always be "cordial" to her in front of the kids. This was delivered rather "Mr. Spock"-like. No anger or any other emotion...just the facts. She didn't like that much from her reaction.

Have you dis-passionately told her something like that?

And they DO have a habit of hearing what they want to hear, and not what they don't...it's all about them and what fits into their world-view right now.

And yeah, they do "tell" on themselves if you are quiet and listen... smile


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