Hi PM, was reading your statement about walking away from the beloved family dog(s), I happen to believe there is something to what u said. That it cannot all be about the LBS when we know they loved the dogs also and dont seem to care anymore about for them. As I firmly believe in alot of sitch' depression MLC whatever plays a huge part. Yes, we as LBS' hold some responsibilty for M being bad of course. However, the more I read and learn there is alot to the WAS' past history childhood, past relationships etc that can be directly attributed to to their behavior today. As you asked earlier, Make sense?