I'm glad the ring isn't bothering you anymore J. Just one more tangled thread in the insane tapestry of MLC. So puzzling though. Maybe you'll find out someday. My H is so confused that he lies and tells me some tall tale about the smallest, most inconsequential things, then promptly forgets story A and changes to story B. and gets mad at me when I protest "but you said....." So maybe your H will fess up someday, or mention it in passing. 

"This, this attitude, is what really really concerns me about continuing with H. More than the other women, more than the gambling."

But since this is NEW maybe it's just part of his MLC craziness? Hopefully!

"I know for absolute certain about the "first" (but his second affair) I knew the girl >shudder<. I found out about the real "first" by reading (snooping) H's emails to current ow. I'm thinking he wouldn't have lied to her about that, but who knows? There had been hints about such an event already, and I wasn't really surprised to learn of it. The one he got turned down by I had strongly suspected during that time period. Oh, and I also snooped an email to an old business acquaintance of H's where he opened with "You know I have always liked you, as a friend, and as even more than a friend." "

Wow you've learned a lot of hurtful things about your H. But I wouldn't put it past any MLCer to lie to anyone about anything, including an old relationship to his current OW. RT is horribly jealous but my H has told her about all his old relationships. He minimizes his R with me. He has never loved me because I've been unfaithful all these years you know. I don't understand why they feel compelled to tell their new OW about the old OW at all. Bragging? Making themselves seem more desireable? 

I wouldn't let that "always liked you as more than a friend" crap bother me if I were you. I used to read my H's email a lot too, to feel the pulse of what was going on between him and his first EA, his numerous infatuations with his language exchange partners, and now the dread RT. My H writes that sort of crap to all his pen pals. I swear he has an old email he keeps somewhere so he can copy and paste the same lines to all of them. All about how his first crush felt, and how his best friend who died was his soul mate. And he though he'd never feel that way again until he met HER. And of course the obligatory story about how his wife has been cheating on him all these years, and never really loved her, but he nobly stays with her for the sake of the children. He doesn't mention that "the children" are 27 and 38 years old. Or even how he got those children, or about all the miscarriages between them either. And strangely enough, it does not occur to these potential OW to ask. But the same thing has happened over and over - they fall for the line of crap, start making plans for a happy life together here in the US, and he drops them after a few months. He even did it to RT last summer. She apparently is more tenacious and came back! Worse than ever!

I stopped reading the emails regularly when I decided the things he writes to RT are just a bunch of lies, but would snoop again in a second if their dynamic seemed to be changing or he was not being forthcoming about his plans. Do you still read your H's?

I love your game J, and wish everyone would post their answers! 

Nero you ARE cheery, friendly and sweet! Not sappy! And NOT a boring goober either, you little dope!

Mz. J I love different shades of turquoise too! You are calm and pretty, cuddly and sweet! I DID google keeshond!! Now that's a cute cuddly dog! What color is yours?


Linda

Me 65, Ex 64
M 38 y
2 adult S, 4 G-Kids
MLC 11/07
BD 12/09
D 3/14
Dating nice guy 7/14
Engaged to nice guy 12/17