Thanks Holding, Water, Ellie Pam and all othere who have visitied my thread and given me support. Holding it was very hard to hear, especially since I asked her just after the Bomb is there was someone else and without hesitation she said NO. Then to find out that that was a lie.
I was not only there to save her life - I was there before time and time again. What ever she decides, I know that I did the honorable thing in my sitch.
Look at it this way. Even though there was a another man in the picture, she still continued to see you! Obviously her conscience then started to play havoc and that's when she told you you could do better.
I fancy you will get her back one of these days if you decided you wanted her back and keep patient about it.
Livnlearn
"The unexamined life is not worth living" - Socrates
OK folks - I need some advice on something - Been spending all morning cleaning up my home office and I can now walk to my computer directly without going through a small path of stuff. Been thinking as I worked -
When C dropped the bomb and ever since she has said she wants us to stay friends. Right after the bomb and just before D I asked her point blank if there was someone else. Without hesitation she said NO. I now know that that was a lie. Until now I have always believed anything she said to me as the total truth.
Since I found out about the OM, I have told her that my goal (to get back together) is still the same. She said she just wanted to be honest with me. and that we were making baby steps (but did not say where the baby steps were heading)
Anyway - I believe that any friendship should be based on honesty. She said she wanted to be honest with me, but that I know she has lied to me in the past, how can I believe what she said, or what she will say in the future?
I know that none of my friends here can answer that question - my question here is “do I discuss this w/ C?” After all if she wants us to be friends then she needs to know that the threshold issue in a friendship is trust and that she needs to rebuild my trust in her.
As to when I believe it has been rebuilt??? I guess I will know when it happens - and that future trust may actually be misplaced. But that is the nature of trust, isn’t it?
Acorn posted a really great post on rebuilding trust. Here is the post from Optimist's thread... Hope it gives you some insight. BTW, After the Affair is a great book, and might help a lot.
Quote: I simply had to steal this, as a remainder to self. It is Sage's latest post, quoting our very wise Acorn...
I pulled this off of an old thread...it was something that Acorn wrote to me when I was really in a down cycle...struggling with trust and fear and a desire to control a situation that was beyond my control...
So many of us here on the boards know what it's like to be in the grip of FEAR and the belief that if we JUST KNEW what was going on with THEM (our spouse) than everything would be ok...but what we eventually come around to realizing (and it IS cyclic...and no matter how crappy you feel today...you will rebound...) is that it really matters what's up with US...not because they aren't important...but because we can't control them...(no, we really can't!) and all the energy we use up trying to control what we can't control is energy that we're stealing from ourselves...and what makes it even a bit worse is that while WE think the energy is being used for a positive (to make it BETTER, right?)...it feels like negative energy to them...I'm fairly certain in my sitch that there are times when I'm CONVINCED that h is ACTING in a particular way when it's very likely that he's REACTING to me instead....
I know I'm preaching to the choir... I'm reposting this as a reminder to myself...I'm loving the + cycle I'm in right now..so now's the time to get the "supports" in place just in case..
Quoting Acorn: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think I know how hard this is for you. My H's internet porn/phone sex habit destroyed the trust between us, and it was only when he left that I realized how I had never really managed to totally let go of that and trust him. I think that played a big role in the breakdown of our M. It scares me to see you stuck in the same kind of place I was for 7 years. It isn't good for your M, but more importantly, it isn't good for you.... So, if you don't mind, I'd like to talk about my sitch a bit, hoping it will help you...
Not trusting my H undermined my self-esteem, made me feel insecure and unsure of myself, and haunted me as I fell asleep, and every time there was some missing time.... It kept real intimacy from returning to our M. Unfortunately, I didn't find the resources to let the past go until the bomb. I was always waiting for him to prove me stupid for having trusted him again... To pull my world out from under me once again... Once the bomb fell, I got over it, I don't know how or why, but it is different now.
This makes me think that the trust issue was about me and my fears about being duped. There has been a real shift here with me about this. At the end of July, after things had been looking up, H got involved with another OW, lied flat out to me about it, asked for a D, and moved in with her a few weeks later. Now, the thing is, he had promised to be honest about what was going on with this stuff, I chose to trust that he would be honest, and then he lied again. But, my reaction was totally different. I was not devastated by his lies, I did not feel like a victim, I did not feel like I was stupid for having trusted him once again. It was my choice to trust him again. I did it for myself and for our M to have a chance. I recognized and accepted the risk. And, when he lied again, my reaction was something like "too bad that didn't pay off, but it was worth the risk..." This was huge for me, and so very different. Why? I think because I gave him trust without also putting my world in his hands. DBing helped me take responsibility for my own happiness, so maybe that is why I could do it.
I regret that I couldn't do it before, I think it could have made all the difference. You want your H to be your friend and lover, but these things won't come without trust. You might think you hide it well, I thought I did. But, maybe I didn't so well, and it certainly blocked me from taking the leaps necessary for the intimacy in the kind of R I wanted. I wanted to stay safe and have my H cross the intimacy divide alone to get to my side. I felt it was his responsibility to do all the work, that he owed it to me for causing the rift to begin with. So, think of a tightrope. I wanted H to cross the tightrope alone to get to my landing, and thought then we would be where we should be. But, true intimacy only comes when both people take the risk, walk toward each other on the tightrope, and help each other balance in the middle.
I so hope you can find a way to meet your H in the middle. I know you feel that you've done more than your share. I felt the same way. Again with the tightrope--I fooled myself into thinking I'd stepped out, but my lack of trust kept me firmly tethered to my landing.
OK, this is getting way too rambly. I'll just close by telling you what I wish I'd done... Rather than trying not to rock the boat and assuming time would be the solution, I wish I had said "H, I have to lay it on the line. This M is not what I want. I want a vibrant, healthy relationship with a man who is my best friend and lover. I believe that we can have that kind of R, but not until trust is restored. This will take work, it won't happen without work, and I don't want to stay in this M unless we commit to doing the work together. Get the damn "After the Affair" book (which we had gotten) out of the closet and lets work through it together. Let's read the stuff in DB on rebuilding trust after affairs, and discuss what works there for each of us. This is not something that can fall by the wayside. We need to reevaluate each month to make sure that we continue to make progress. I am scared to death to tell you all this, I am scared that you will leave me and think this M is not worth the work, I am scared that you will agree and then nothing will happen. My fear comes from my lack of trust. So, telling you all this is a big leap of faith for me. I am taking a big risk for myself, for you, and for our M. So, what do you say? Can you take the leap with me?"
OK, rambling again.... I guess the main point is that my fear and lack of trust got in the way of my even being honest about the lack of trust, and of insisting that I would only remain in an R in which the trust was rebuilt.
Whew. Sorry for the stream of consciousness thing... But I've been worried about you and this trust problem for some time... I hate to see you make the mistakes I made... I think it is time to tackle this trust thing head on, either make it happen or get out of the R. You deserve the kind of R that can only come with trust.
Hugs, Acorn
Relax. Appreciate. Be calm. Laugh. Enjoy. Be secure. Be loving. Be loved. Don't personalize. Don't ASSume. Accept. Be grateful.
she cancelled out for tonight on me helping her with the computer - said she was too emotionally drained - but did say she would call me tonight - I will tell her then that since she said that she wants to work on being friends and even tho the affair and the lie disappointed me, I Choose to trust her again because true friendship depends on honesty.
got a call from C last night - 1. Convo very up beat about 25 mins 2. She mentioned that we both had Verizon phone plans so we had unlimited cell to cell. {is she saying we need to talk more} 3. She seemed natural in talking 4. When I thanked her for being honest and that I felt that being friends required honesty she kinda went quite but agreed. 5. we did not mention OG
Still up in the air is next weekend (V-day), my upcomming birthday next month, and Boston trip in April.
