kevin, for what it is worth, I think that if you do what Zoo said...be a father, and NOT a husband to her, DB even when you don't think you should, there might not be a divorce! You have to stick to your guns on this...because everytime you plunge back in, doing too much for her, running to her when she calls you, it goes back to square one. The most insightful thread to me is jakes...you don't have to be mean, ugly, or rude, but you have to get your own thing going on (even if you are acting like it) and be kind, listen to what she is saying without reacting. You can do it! Like you, I hate to see a divorce happen if it doesn't need to. It can make someone like you become very gunshy of getting back together...after all the pain, money that is spent, bad memories of it all...so just change the way you are doing things. Read jake's post...