Hi folks---thanks everyone for your comments. A little update. First, the rollercoaster is still here, although the ups and downs and twists and curves are not quite as upsetting as they once were. Both W and I are learning to detatch. Enough so that we can discuss needs, concerns, etc. between just the two of us without requireing a mediator. We continue to read togather. She feels that she has always had a 'backseat' position throughout our relationship--to school, to the army, to the job, etc. I felt she held me out of the children's lives and that my main purpose in the family was to provide a check so she could maintain 'her' family. Hurts over the years without the communication to alleviate them just allowed them to build. The task at hand appears to be figureing out which need to be dealt with to understand so as to not repeat them and which should be best just left behind so we can move forward. A task best achieved with improved communication. ----Think an old dog can still learn new tricks? Harv