Hi Wishing--thanks for stopping by. Yes, both W and I have had C's over the years. Sometimes separately and sometimes togather--if this tells you that things have not been smooth in our marriage for a long time--we would both say that you are correct. The underlying problem is that we never seem to have gotten to "the problem". I think we have put a bandaid on it for the timebeing and then it just pops up again later. Recently I have been with a C'ing group for about a year trying to work on myself. W had decided the C'ing was futile given past results, but in the last weeks has again scheduled some meetings with a new psychiatrist. So not really anything new to report on either of us yet. Harv