LIS,

I'm going to try to reply to everyone here before the thread gets locked for being too long.

On a previous post you said:
" I'm scared. Every minute of every day, I'm scared. I can't stand that feeling. And it eats at my soul. I have to learn to control that."

First I was really sorry for you feeling this way. And I thought, no, I'm not scared like this any more.

But then, some of the things labug is pushing me to consider made me wonder if I am really afraid, all the time, in just about everything I do, of something quite basic. And that is losing control of my life.

I'll write more about this in reply to labug, but both of you have helped me think about what's going on with me.

And thanks, too, for this (I could do with a posse):
"It'd be nice if next time you run into OW you can have a few of us along... no one said we had to keep clean hands. LOL! "

Re your last post, I don't think stbx's words are valid. So, you are right. Don't get wagged around by stuff that is not true.

And I think you are right about what i am upset about. It IS because his mental state seems to be out of touch with reality.

There is no chance of any sort of sensible relationship with him at the moment. And this is hard to deal with.

Keen to continue that "whole other conversation" about this with you.

Thanks so much for your insights, my friend.