yes you are definitely right on that call AS...there is all this fairy tale stuff no one is taught the work that goes into making a relationship work...so at the first sign of trouble is time to take off... I got a call from D11 tonight crying saying "mom said she is not coming back!" She asked me to come over which I did and talked to W who quoted me all these people who had given her advice etch..and I said yes well tell me which one of those people is not emotionally unstable and does not have a terrible relationship with their kids...is this who you want to take advice from.? It makes me made how W just dropped bomb on kids like that; it does help me detach; I do have daydreams of being with someone who actually cares about their M...and their kids and does not think it is "uncool" to be a mom in a monogumus relationship. much like a lot of the people on here..I think W will never know what she had until it is gone but the problem will be that it is gone...So W told me she is not ready to D but she is not in the I am coming back camp...