well there has been some progress...W told d(11) maybe we could go on a date some time soon...but I am hearing that from D(11) and it could be misconstrued but we shall see......I was at W's place just for a short time the other day to drop of some clothes but W seemed affectionate but I think she had some wine in her so I will take that with a couple of grains of salt. But I will move back into holding pattern....sometimes I wonder if W has same comitement to family as I do...