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great post ^^^


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I request divorce 5/2012
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Yup Rough,

I told you she (25) was tough, but she does have a way of holding that mirror in front of you in a way that you can't avoid your own reflection. Not always a pretty sight but a necessary step if you're serious about working on yourself.

Take care mate.


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Hey Arsene, a good night last night, I just need to be careful. Your spot on about 25 holding the mirror and yes, it's not a pretty site but I need it!

25, thank you very much. I just read No More MR Nice Guy, wow! What an eye opener! It described me to a tee!! I am slowly trying to put the pieces together, it's been a very difficult learning curve. I know you choose your words carefully. I havent forgot about your questions. I will address them today.

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Here’s where I am at. I am understanding I twist things sometimes, maybe a better term for it is manipulative. The crappy part of it all is that I just do it without even realizing what I am doing, not a good thing. I just started seeing an IC, which I really need.

I was supposed to be the man of the house and I failed at that. By default, W took charge of running things and most women don’t want that responsibility.

I never set boundaries and I just wanted to “make peace.” I was always so proud of myself for being “level headed.” I thought being non confrontational was a positive trait in me. Well, I had it all wrong!

I am learning that setting boundaries are important, most likely they will be challenged and tested. I never learned to say, stop! That’s unacceptable. Because I had no boundaries W could walk all over me, like a doormat. From W’s point of view, I am sure her respect for me went out the window a long time ago.

I clearly remember W making a comment to me about 5 months ago and it’s seared in my mind. She simply said, “Rough means well.”
I view that remark as an upercut. While money has been an issue for so long, I am also starting to realize there are so many things under the surface which never got addressed.

Don’t get me wrong, I am a masculine guy but I need to fu%ck!ng get my balls back!

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BTW, I am sure there's more stuff I need to tackle.

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Before W and I got separated I told a couple people that over the years I found myself loving my W more than ever. I had this twisted view that while many other relationships can start to dwindle, my love for W was just getting stronger. I was in denial. It’s unbelievable when I reflect on this, I had it sooooo wrong!

In all actuality, our marriage was slipping through my fingers, or marriage was in crumbles and I was pathetic, I just got needier and needier. I was searching for this emotional and physical connection that was nowhere in sight. I didnt know how to get out of this rut!

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Originally Posted By: roughenough
I was searching for this emotional and physical connection that was nowhere in sight. I didnt know how to get out of this rut!


Was it you that needed TOO much, or your W who did not give enough?


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I guess some people learn faster than others.

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Yes Denver, I needed it and W didnt give.

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Originally Posted By: roughenough
Yes Denver, I needed it and W didnt give.


Why wouldn't she give it to you?


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W moves out of home 11/2010
Roller coaster from hell 2/2011-5/2012
I request divorce 5/2012
W moves home 6/2012
Good time 7/2012 - 1/2015
I leave 3/2016
process of divorce
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