Forgot to mention. After a few days of W not wearing ring and me not saying anything she brought up the conversation. Said she threw them in anger and just has not put them back on. She maybe waiting for the reaction and mentioning it gives her the opp to tell u again its over. I agree that nothing good can come of it. I know what ur going through. It is like W goes out now without the protection of the ring. Like a message saying she was not available but now she is available in my opinion. It is her freedom from the unhappiness. These are my thoughts by the way. I think it is part of the journey. You bringing it up will only reinforce those feelings she has.

Re standing up for urself I think u will know when u need to stand up. I was a bit like that but this last day have had to stand my ground on something I felt strongly about and knew was the right decision. Wife almost got me to doubt my own mind.

The trick like the others say is how you communicate your boundaries. I am still learning this.

Read sandhi2 posts on my thread. She gives some great insight into the WAS mind that has helped me understand W frame of mind.

Re-read the advice here. It is all excellent stuff. Detaching is the hardest hurdle (I am still there!). But IMHO detaching is the key to the whole DB process and the most difficult. But without it there will always be part of u that appears needy, that ur changes r for W benefit and W will know she can pull your strings to get what she wants.

I am still a DB newbie so the above is based on my experience and advice so far.

Best of luck.