sandi2, wow, that took me off guard. I do understand that I can't bust a divorce in this instance, I just thought I could still save a relationship.

I've already thought about this stuff, wondering if I'm just screwing myself over emotionally and financially recently. If I go home tonight and tell her that I've thought about things and if this isn't going anywhere, if she doesn't love me, if she doesn't want to be there then she needs to move out (be it tomorrow or by the weekend) then at this moment she'll be homeless; that is a hard thing to face living with.

How do I say that?

And, just wondering, what if there is a future here if I do make changes? If I give an ultimatum tonight or anytime this week doesn't that bring a solid end to that future? In DR it says not to give ultimatums.

Thanks, I'm just trying to think things through....and those nasty emotions get in the way.

“People are just as happy as they make up their minds to be.” Abraham Lincoln