Thanks for the links!! I find the reading of different posts on this site has really helped me see what I have done wrong as the WAS or MLCer, I guess it goes hand in hand and also helps me through this. The therapist is just once a week, this is whenever I need it! His mom has asked me how things are, I haven't brought it up to her but you are right, he is HER son and not my mom, altho she has been for 15 years. She told me she would not tell him anything we discuss or tell me anything he discusses with her which is nothing right now. But they love their granddaughter and I'm the only one who takes her to see them and I will continue to. But will keep M out of the convos.