I DO agree that detachment and moving on, seemed to help both.
And it's probably not worth arguing & I don't want to hijack, but the "two essentially the same approach" is not my recall at all.
Far from it. Read Denver's whole thread and see how he focuses ON HIMSELF and what HE can do to be a better man, and a better h.
I can't think of a single nasty comment by Denver about his w.
It's hard to know or assess with Starsky. I fear he had a different name before, "left" DBing & came back with a new name but same issues w/DBing. If so, If he used to be another poster who got banned and came back with a new name but pounding the same points, it doesn't feel honest to pretend otherwise.
Sorry to hijack topics.
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