CV and Labug -- there's an important distinction there between not approving of their actions and not approving of them as a person.

If we don't approve of their actions, it's our duty to guide and discipline. The message is "you are worthy and I love you but you're making bad choices and I'm going to help you with that (whether you like it or not)"

The alternative is "I don't approve of the person you are, and therefore no matter what you do you won't have my support"

I thought Ad's H was coming in with the second message -- these kids are turning out badly because of Ad. That's different than these are great kids but they are doing bad things.

If I misread then I will do an Emily Litella and say "never mind" to conclude my long rant

Married 18, Together 20, Now Divorced
M: 48, W: 50, D: 18, S: 16, D: 12
Bomb Dropped (EA, D): 7/13/11
Start Reconcile: 8/15/11
Bomb Dropped (EA, D): 5/1/2014 (Divorced)
In a New Relationship: 3/2015