Acc, I don't think the kids have to be "out of control" in order for the father to feel pushed out of his parenting role. My niece and nephew certainly weren't, they (my nephew mostly) were just doing things like Ad described. In fact, the kids could be perfectly well-behaved and that might even be worse. Then there's proof that the father isn't "needed."
Ad, I hope you're around to chime in on this. I've gone way out on a limb here and read in a lot, and I don't want to take everyone out there with me with my comments.
