Thanks Kaffe Diem ,

It sure feels nice to know someone is listening. The question about the 180 is mainly that I am doing them for myself. I like the man I'm becoming through them, but I guess I still expect validation on them from W and that makes me wonder if I am truly doing them for myself or just to get W's attention.

Something I'm realised, reading through roughenough's thread is that I probably still pursue even though I don't feel like I am. I'm now away fro a few days trying a full no contact while W spends time with D8 and it's probably good as I might have taken advantage of D8 chatting with her mom to get my word in while we were away. Now I have no reasons to contact her so it's like breaking the link "cold turkey".

I'd like some ideas for more 180s I could try. W and I have always had a great time and good communication together and over the last 2 years of our problems, I've already addressed many of these issues, such as actually listening to her when she talks, not critisising everything, be less judgemental and more compassionate towards others, show more empathy and understanding, stop worrying about money, try to be more "go-lucky". What else could i do?

Thanks again for your help.


Freshman Class of 2012

M-49
W-42
1D-10
T 10 YEARS
M 9 YEARS
EA/MLC 07/2010
Separation 28/05/2012
PA confirmed 31/07/12
W Asked for D 31/07/12
D on and off the table since then