I will be in there with the folks that have been successful, its just going to take awhile. Me dwelling daily on forums or in day to day life isn't going to change the facts. I am sure you (mrbond) will pick this apart as well. I appreciate criticism but really isn't the format for that. You have called into question my manhood twice. You apologized once. Good for you. I have my own problems I do not need a guy on a forum giving me grief. I will be getting my wife back but it will take awhile. Coasting or on her timeline whatever you want to rip go ahead. Patience is a holding pattern. I have given all I am willing to give to a web site. If that makes me ? OK. Like I have said I have several posts on a word document to get me by. Like I said I am not really a www guy and forums. I do better in person. Thanks for the help folks and good luck. I am not giving up on my spouse or my family just need to spend more time in real world dealing with out stressing on negative. Patience.