"W seems to think she has no part in what led us to here in R."

MB—These were W words to me….. But I believe they should fall under believe nothing of what they say and half of what I see..

'she must be considering MC because she wasn’t sure if she wanted to talk to someone because if they told her SHE needed to do something differently that would just p@ss her off."

This is mindreading you are exactly right I need to remember this in the future…That I cannot know what W or anybody is thinking thanks for pointing that out.

Sandi2- I also agree with you that right now its ALL about the kids, tho keep in mind that she wanted (wants?) me to leave the house W has no intentions on leaving herself.

The R talk was a slip on my part and I will not do this again as I definitely see where it will lead if I push this.

Your W is worn out. She's depressed and I'd bet she feels lonely. She's given up hope for the M getting better b/c she thinks she's had to do all the work.

She also feels stuck and done. As she knows that she cant provide the lifestyle and home that our children are accustomed to on her own. It hurts me to know she feels that way and I do have empathy for her for this, she is the love of my life.

It does make sense to me about her needing to get to a point to be willing, hard to accept this, but I do understand. I pray she does get there.

As for co parenting I a appreciate the advise and im going to stop and pickup a book on this tonight.