RickG - I'm good at namimg people I love, but not good at naming myself.

As for Vegas, I'm ready. I can feel the tribal blood in me start to wake up, ready to go!

Gmonk - as for Beth I meant that I can't understand how any WAS can make this choice. I get that it's their life and that they have a right to make their own choices and have their own perceptions of the M. I'm not fighting that.

What I will never understand is the choice. THis is the moment where any of our M's could leap into a greater level than ever before. Because it's broken it can be rebuilt, and if it hadn't been broken it could not have been rebuilt.

Why wouldn't the choice be to be open about every issue, decide to find answers and let go of the verbal traps that kept us talking in circles, accept the past pain which strengthens you both, get help, take time. I don't get it. Instead, the answer is to ruin everyone's hearts permanently, to leave that legacy for each for the rest of us in this life and beyond.

That's why I question how she can do that. I'm not saying one is a saint and the other is a demon.

That's why I think we're told over and over to do all the things DB'ing recommends because it's only us we can rebuild once the other has bailed. If there is ever some R on some horizon it is not going to be your spouse coming back to what was once there, they would only come back to something new. If we don't move forward we don't live. no M will come together again. It's a forced evacuation of our entire past.

We were on the titanic no matter what deck we were on when the iceberg hit. That ship was going down, but we are lucky enough to find another ship. Maybe it's too early to know what kind of ship you have been rescued by but its one you can steer yourself.