Only observation about the ball was the "after" events where you said you "mostly" listened... as she had indicated to you (or you observed) it was probably the liquid courage that caused her to interfere with the dynamic of your friends and likely the reason for her exploding when you offered that you didn't quite behave the way friend H is...

On the BFFs, who knows... maybe they ARE trying to help... even though what you see might appear to be unhelpful...

I'm sure this is not helpful and I'm sure you know, but there appears to still be a lot of mind reading going on by you. I admit I've caught myself doing that, but it is becoming quite rare, now... I mostly just observe now... watch for subtle changes but not guessing what meaning any changes might have...

Originally Posted By: Navyguy
As before, I am stuck in limbo…and I am now convinced that for better or worse, only I can change this situation. Like 25 said in my previous thread…it’s been 3 years and W would have budged by now if she was going to at all.


I'm coming up on two years from the date that I can firmly say was the beginning of the end, although I could certainly say that I saw a lot of this coming (in hindsight) for at least a year prior to that... How long it has been for me isn't really important, but I agree that this long standing pain and limbo is painful and crazy making...

I agree with 25 in that it has been plenty of time to see the results of your efforts. What you have been doing has not been working if the results you have been hoping for was R. I came to this realization in my own sitch and have further committed myself to changing my efforts to change the sitch...

For what ever reason, of which I am no longer interested in figuring out, I remain a non-option for my W.

Point of origin, Limboland, her ship has sailed and I'm on a different boat headed for other parts...

and I'm OK with the course of my ship and possible destinations...

Chart a course or not, set sail my friend and make a difference in your life... I'm happy to not be in Limbo any more... cool