also, as part of the spew, h said that he doesn't love me as a husband should and that i can't "force" him to love me. i wonder if H realizes that loving feelings come and go, and that when you've been with someone for as long as we have, that love won't always feel as it does in the beginning, and that doesn't mean that it disappears. does that even matter at this point? i mean i thought about trying to argue this point with H, but backed off and said nothing instead (real 180 for me). any thoughts?