imthemom, I am so sorry that you are dealing with S15 and his choices to get attention from his D and soothe himself. That is what my IC calls it...soothing himself. And she sees S16 also. She also said my H was soothing himself with the OW and it has nothing to do with me...which I do know but it doesn't make it any easier.
I, like you, CANNOT believe these men walk away from their sons. Mine lives 1/2 mile from us and my S18 (at college) keeps saying "What is D doing across town?" when he hears he misses S16 hockey games, etc...it is sooooo sad.
My L told me it was MY choice to work and that was not something that my H could dictate. I was working part time at 5 hours a day and quit my job when H left because he left me to take care of everything....every single thing....including a S16 with known issues.
BTW...talking in the car has been one of our favorite places to discuss items that make anyone uncomfortable. You aren't facing each other! LOL!!!! IC said it was good, talking is good, talking in car good!!!! I hope that their conversation went well. Bless his sweet heart. My son said to me the other day when his D was texting him and wanting to meet him for dinner or ice cream and he was making excuses about no, no, no that he was "waiting for D to hit rock bottom and come home." It breaks my heart....these sweet sensitive creatures.
Me: 44 H: 45 Married 22 S 18, S 16 Bomb 8/11, Second Bomb 1/12