ok, so he has been calling my office all morning and i decided to answer. he just wanted to know how our daughter and grandchld was - did not mention other two children. and since our dryer broke and i had to buy new one - made sure i took care of that and how his son could pick it up to save me the delivery fee - politely said that was ok. other than that proceeded to say he had to go to doctor for illness, but he is doing fine and checking to see how i was. got off the ph just saying bye - i guess he has reduced me to nothing more than a friend. how can i employ any db techniques if he has no contact and does not live with me?