Hi, well I've been traveling for a week, away from W and kids. Of course nothing has changed in my absence. I'm still looking at the above as goals.

I don't know if it was the week away or something else. But she is being pretty nice around me.

Then another intense conversation, today. Goals 1 and 2 above - broken. I talk to to much, seeking in vain it seems to be understood. Finally in just expressing that, after things already intense. I get "I'm tired of trying to understand you, I've tried for 25 years, and I'm done" Arghh. I feel so helpless and misunderstood. She is so adamant "I'm not going to change my mind" Help.

She made an appt to talk to a counselor about how to tell the kids. I'm happy about that, at least we'll be in front of someone.