no problem rick! i was not confused....i understand your reaction of humiliation. i would have felt shame - so maybe that's the same.

we can all agree that anger - as manifested by behavior - can be harmful to self and others. we can all agree it is worth learning to manage it externally and internally. and if cat04's ideas help you with this, more power to you both! it's a good discussion if it has stimulated something that you find useful or helpful.

you are here, by definition, because you want to save your marriage. and by extension, you want to improve yourself. my main point, which i will try to state very simply, is that self-improvement works best when you feel like you are succeeding. that means you need to make an honest effort, achieve results and then measure yourself with a fair and realistic yardstick. i think you are succeeding, rick. and that's my main point.

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