Grmpy_Mnky,

Hang in there buddy. I know it's a tough time frown For me, detaching is darn near impossible. I'm getting better at it though. I have found though, that when i detach for a while and cut off communication, I generally get a positive response from my EX and she seems happy to hear from me, or she initiates contact with me. Like someone said above, only you can know when your relationship is over, but as my DB coach would say, don't make any decisions when you are upset. Take a step back and look at the situation and make your decision when you have calmed down and aren't as emotional. If you aren't already doing it, I might suggest keeping a journal so you can better track your progress. Sometimes, I'll go back and read mine and realize that a few months ago, my EX and I weren't even talking yet now we are at least having pleasant conversation and our situation is better than it once was. It's important, I think, to realize that (if it applies to your situation) during the really hard times because it helps you keep things in perspective. I went nearly a month without talking to my EX just waiting to see if she'd contact me at some point, and she did. I almost fell out of my chair lol. Anyway, keep your head up and go do something fun!