If it's any solace, I've been at this for 10 years now. Patience is still elusive
I guess that doesn't sound very encouraging, Grmpy. I don't want to have you think that my DB-ing didn't work and therefore yours wont. In fact, my DB-ing worked on a lot of levels. I'm not crazy enough to keep doing the same thing for 10 years if it didn't.
I'm just saying... I hear ya. It gets easier, but it's never easy.