@ Sunshine I don't think there is drug use. Just not sure what happened to the spoons?

@ Antlers Regarding the detaching I am getting better at it. Really not taking things personally. But a good reminder

@ Val I am not really sure how to handle all these gift giving stuff. W and I did not get each other gifts for Christmas. My D did not asked for me to get her mom anything. I don't know how my W would feel about it.So I am not sure if getting her a gift is a wise decision. Regarding the talking, every time I do she pulls away. The coach told me to keep giving her space. Yes I tell my D that we both love her, and no I did not throw the D word every time we argued only the few real big fights we had. Which weren't many. The fact is that my W is not very talkative so it is hard to guage. i did most of the yapping so I thought I should just listen now. The funny thing is that I was never distant. I always sought W but she became the distant one even tho she says I am the one. confused

What ever I am doing is not working. I mean she is less cold and distant than when this started and does nice things. But I really think that she is putting all of her enrgies into the D and going her own way.

So my question is I can TM my D and ask her if she wants me to get her a gift card for her mother. Will that be a good idea? Thanks for the input guys


M 53
D 20
Separated 6/22/11 moved out 10/24
Together 26 yrs
Married 16
W Filed for D 7/21/11
Served 9/6/11
D final 8/28/12

“Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be.”

John Wooden